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		<title>By: Jon Worth</title>
		<link>http://www.social-europe.eu/2009/06/rebuilding-the-left-after-the-european-parliament-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Worth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ChristianK - I think the Piratpartiet is one of the most interesting developments from the EP elections. Would be handy for the left to learn from them for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ChristianK &#8211; I think the Piratpartiet is one of the most interesting developments from the EP elections. Would be handy for the left to learn from them for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: ChristianK</title>
		<link>http://www.social-europe.eu/2009/06/rebuilding-the-left-after-the-european-parliament-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>ChristianK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;expertise&quot; of those bankers is the thing that crashed the economy.
There question isn&#039;t whether there will be a decent sized banking sector but whether there should be a banking sector of the size we had in the last years.
I think that the crisis showed that the banking sector was too big.
It should be social democratic policy to reduce it&#039;s size.

The size of the part of society that actually produces value should increase and the size of the finanical sector should decrease.

Then the economy isn&#039;t the only topic that is of interest to voters. In Sweden the Pirate Party got 7% on a platform based on individual liberties.
Maybe the left could get a fair share of those votes if it would also protect civil liberties instead of destroying them out of fear of terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;expertise&#8221; of those bankers is the thing that crashed the economy.<br />
There question isn&#8217;t whether there will be a decent sized banking sector but whether there should be a banking sector of the size we had in the last years.<br />
I think that the crisis showed that the banking sector was too big.<br />
It should be social democratic policy to reduce it&#8217;s size.</p>
<p>The size of the part of society that actually produces value should increase and the size of the finanical sector should decrease.</p>
<p>Then the economy isn&#8217;t the only topic that is of interest to voters. In Sweden the Pirate Party got 7% on a platform based on individual liberties.<br />
Maybe the left could get a fair share of those votes if it would also protect civil liberties instead of destroying them out of fear of terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Worth</title>
		<link>http://www.social-europe.eu/2009/06/rebuilding-the-left-after-the-european-parliament-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Worth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hugo - I wonder whether you actually read the original post, and my subsequent comment? I am not an apologist for, or supporter of, The Third Way. I cited it only as reference to a time when the parties of the left were more electorally successful and self confident.

Perhaps rather that just reacting in a petulant manner where Third Way seems to be like a red rag to a bull you might actually like to put forward ways by which the left could be in power in as many European countries now as it was in the late 1990s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hugo &#8211; I wonder whether you actually read the original post, and my subsequent comment? I am not an apologist for, or supporter of, The Third Way. I cited it only as reference to a time when the parties of the left were more electorally successful and self confident.</p>
<p>Perhaps rather that just reacting in a petulant manner where Third Way seems to be like a red rag to a bull you might actually like to put forward ways by which the left could be in power in as many European countries now as it was in the late 1990s.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo de Vrije</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo de Vrije</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations! Your article alone has convinced me to unsubscribe from Social Europe.

If Social Europe is still willing to give credence to the «Third Way» and its apologists, who have done nothing but push Europe to the the Right, both politically, socially and economically in the past 15 years, and who have presided over the biggest increase in income inequality in Europe in modern times, then I cannot really trust them on anything «Social», can I?

Regards from the true Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations! Your article alone has convinced me to unsubscribe from Social Europe.</p>
<p>If Social Europe is still willing to give credence to the «Third Way» and its apologists, who have done nothing but push Europe to the the Right, both politically, socially and economically in the past 15 years, and who have presided over the biggest increase in income inequality in Europe in modern times, then I cannot really trust them on anything «Social», can I?</p>
<p>Regards from the true Left.</p>
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		<title>By: christian gauci</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian gauci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Labour Party won overwelhmly in the European Parlamentary Elections. Various reasons can quoted, e.g. the party has a new young leader, the present economic climate, domestic issues.

However, I feel that we lack a coherent ideaology throughout EU to make an impact on the European people. Yes, we need a forward looking policies but based on what? Should we still care of the masses that are overburdened with taxes that will never filter through the same poeple again. Should we start looking at the workers as the consumers of our society who are being swindled by the so called &#039;businesses&#039;. Every problem has two faces interlinked to each other. Are the workers the same people that consume the products that were produced by other workers? Let us change our perspective from looking at the probelms of the workers to the problems of the consumers for they are the same people at the end of the economic loop.

And therefore the consumers have rights. Rights that are being trampled upon by those businesses that lobby in the EU parliament. These rights consist of the geniune food we eat, education for all, environment that enriches us, culture for all.

So I think before we start thinking of new leadership, let us think of new ideas that will benefit the people of Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Labour Party won overwelhmly in the European Parlamentary Elections. Various reasons can quoted, e.g. the party has a new young leader, the present economic climate, domestic issues.</p>
<p>However, I feel that we lack a coherent ideaology throughout EU to make an impact on the European people. Yes, we need a forward looking policies but based on what? Should we still care of the masses that are overburdened with taxes that will never filter through the same poeple again. Should we start looking at the workers as the consumers of our society who are being swindled by the so called &#8216;businesses&#8217;. Every problem has two faces interlinked to each other. Are the workers the same people that consume the products that were produced by other workers? Let us change our perspective from looking at the probelms of the workers to the problems of the consumers for they are the same people at the end of the economic loop.</p>
<p>And therefore the consumers have rights. Rights that are being trampled upon by those businesses that lobby in the EU parliament. These rights consist of the geniune food we eat, education for all, environment that enriches us, culture for all.</p>
<p>So I think before we start thinking of new leadership, let us think of new ideas that will benefit the people of Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Worth</title>
		<link>http://www.social-europe.eu/2009/06/rebuilding-the-left-after-the-european-parliament-elections/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Worth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll have to agree to disagree about Schulz - in my mind he&#039;s hot headed, a nasty bully, and lacks policy and communications nuance.

On the issue of redundant bankers - look at the percentages. It&#039;s not as if London and other banking centres are over-flowing with redundant bankers. Those in the economy with university degrees and business skills will for sure find further employment. There will always be a decent financial sector - perhaps not as large as before, but the sector will not die. The same cannot be said for some areas of industry and retail.

Also note on what I stated on the Third Way - I don&#039;t agree with it! I cited that as reference to a time when the left was more optimistic and self confident than it is at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree about Schulz &#8211; in my mind he&#8217;s hot headed, a nasty bully, and lacks policy and communications nuance.</p>
<p>On the issue of redundant bankers &#8211; look at the percentages. It&#8217;s not as if London and other banking centres are over-flowing with redundant bankers. Those in the economy with university degrees and business skills will for sure find further employment. There will always be a decent financial sector &#8211; perhaps not as large as before, but the sector will not die. The same cannot be said for some areas of industry and retail.</p>
<p>Also note on what I stated on the Third Way &#8211; I don&#8217;t agree with it! I cited that as reference to a time when the left was more optimistic and self confident than it is at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Henning Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henning Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon, thanks for the post but I disagree with you on quite a few points. In my book, Martin Schulz is a very good leader but the problem is that national parties do not allow European leadership to penetrate the national level. The genesis of PES activists - or should I say the failure to introduce proper PES membership - is one example for this. The idea of proper membership was shot down by the UK Labour Party at the party congress in Vienna. National parties do not give the European level enough space so it is very hard to develop leadership. But I agree that social democracy in general could do with a few more good and young leaders.

Flexicurity has all sorts of issues associated with it starting from downward social mobility to loss of productivity as a result of loss of expertise. This is not a system that would make proper macroeconomic steering redundant. What would you suggest all the bankers should become now?

Industry is not necessarily outdated and dirty. Much of it is also very knowledge intensive and should be adjusted to new circumstances rather than abandoned. The key is to make necessary adjustments at a pace people can cope with. This is not to say that one should slow down adjustment processes unnecessarily but prematurely abandoning large parts of the economy makes no sense either. Even the UK is talking up the role of industry again. But I completely agree that the left needs to present a clearer picture of what it wants the EU to do and what not.
I am afraid the Third Way was not a silver bullet but – in the way it was enacted - one source of the problems social democracy is currently facing. Blair and Schroeder had quite different ‘Third Ways’ associated with them and Jospin wasn’t really fond of it. I have 350 pages worth of thesis on this subject which I hopefully manage to turn into a book over the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon, thanks for the post but I disagree with you on quite a few points. In my book, Martin Schulz is a very good leader but the problem is that national parties do not allow European leadership to penetrate the national level. The genesis of PES activists &#8211; or should I say the failure to introduce proper PES membership &#8211; is one example for this. The idea of proper membership was shot down by the UK Labour Party at the party congress in Vienna. National parties do not give the European level enough space so it is very hard to develop leadership. But I agree that social democracy in general could do with a few more good and young leaders.</p>
<p>Flexicurity has all sorts of issues associated with it starting from downward social mobility to loss of productivity as a result of loss of expertise. This is not a system that would make proper macroeconomic steering redundant. What would you suggest all the bankers should become now?</p>
<p>Industry is not necessarily outdated and dirty. Much of it is also very knowledge intensive and should be adjusted to new circumstances rather than abandoned. The key is to make necessary adjustments at a pace people can cope with. This is not to say that one should slow down adjustment processes unnecessarily but prematurely abandoning large parts of the economy makes no sense either. Even the UK is talking up the role of industry again. But I completely agree that the left needs to present a clearer picture of what it wants the EU to do and what not.<br />
I am afraid the Third Way was not a silver bullet but – in the way it was enacted &#8211; one source of the problems social democracy is currently facing. Blair and Schroeder had quite different ‘Third Ways’ associated with them and Jospin wasn’t really fond of it. I have 350 pages worth of thesis on this subject which I hopefully manage to turn into a book over the summer.</p>
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